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March 18, 2007

Trouble Reading Alphecca With IE7?

Twice in the past several months, people have emailed me to say that they have trouble with links not responding on Alphecca, or parts of text are missing. The one thing both had in common was they were using IE 7 and Windows XP. Anyone else experiencing this? I haven't changed the style templates -- I'm still using the same old Movable Type program and templates I started with in 2004. Feel free to look at the source code and offer suggestions. Of course, if you're one of the ones having problems then you probably can't read this or get to the comments. . .

Update: I just checked my page syntax with BBEdit which, of course, found something like 600 errors but they all seem to be related to my using blockquote and i tags surrounding sections of quotations that Movable Type spreads out as separate paragraphs.

Then, just for yucks, I loaded the source for Instapundit into BBEdit and ran a syntax check on that and 700 errors were found, although of different types.

Best I can figure is that where it used to be extremely lenient, IE is now adhering to a strict HTML syntax (my site uses transitional 4.01 or something like that) so maybe I'll try using different tags or something to seperate quotes. I'm not going to go back and re-edit all the old posts, sorry, I'm not a masochist.

Are any of you using XP and IE 7 and NOT having problems? Anyone using other browsers and having problems? Any feedback here is welcome as I DON'T want you to miss a single word of my incredible prose. . . HTML jockeys welcome to offer advice if you want to look at the source code (easily readable with most browsers).

Posted by Jeff Soyer at March 18, 2007 09:49 PM
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I have problems reading parts of your site and I do have XP. I can read the first few posts then it is blank or has bits and pieces of script down the screen and then at some point I get the full text back for the remainder of the screen. Very strange.

Posted by: John B at March 18, 2007 11:01 PM

I too have problems reading Alphecca with IE7 and Windows XP. I have Firefox 2.0.0.2 installed also and I have no problem reading your blog. In IE7, parts of posts are missing, leaving large white gaps and I cannot click on any links. Your site does work great in Firefox 2.0.0.2 however.

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Posted by: Yuri Orlov at March 19, 2007 12:04 AM

Can any of you tell me where the problem starts? Which post? Maybe there's something in there or possibly my version of Movable Type (2.61) is creating obsolete code for the posts.

I'm Mac based so don't have access to Windows and IE 7.

I've looked at my site with my regular browser, Firefox 2.0.0.1 and an older version, 1.x something, both fine. Netscape 7.1 and Safari are fine.

Feel free to look at my source code and offer suggestion. . .

Posted by: Jeff Soyer at March 19, 2007 12:14 AM

On second thought, maybe the problem is with IE 7.

Posted by: Jeff Soyer at March 19, 2007 01:27 AM

Jeff,

Tried your site using IE 7, Firefox and Opera. To no great surprise the only problem was with IE 7.

Remember Firefox is what IE wants to be when it grows up.

Posted by: Old Dog at March 19, 2007 07:56 AM

7 and XP here. No probs, b'wana!


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Posted by: Jim at March 19, 2007 08:29 AM

I had the same problem as Yuri, and I only use Firefox. In the past few months, this is the first edition of your blog in which there is any graphics visible. Whatever you did, it is working now.

Posted by: BobG at March 19, 2007 08:42 AM

Well. . .I haven't done anything as yet. Weird!

Posted by: Jeff Soyer at March 19, 2007 08:50 AM

They don't call it Internet Exploder for nothing. I've been using Firefox for about a year or so, no problems reading anything that I can recall.

Posted by: the pistolero at March 19, 2007 08:58 AM

IE7 and Vista -- so I can't just uninstall IE7 -- here, and problems with your page.

Posted by: Rick C at March 19, 2007 09:51 AM

IE6 and win 2000 - No problem. IE7 and XP - No link access from the script page and today the blank started with line 2 of the Hit Job story. IE7 and Vista - No link access from the script and today the blank started in paragraph #4 of the update in yesterdays "Trouble" column. IE7 doesn't like you Jeff.

Posted by: Walt at March 19, 2007 10:16 AM

I did a View Source from both FF 2.0 and IE7, and it appears to me that Firefox is being more foregiving than IE. Here are some of the errors I got:

1. No closing HTML tag at the end.
2. No closing Body tag at the end.
3. A lot of tags are intermixed instead of following a strict hierarchy. For instance, some blockquotes are opened inside paragraphs, but the closing tag for the blockquote is after the closing tag for the paragraph. By the way, for safety's sake, don't put blockquotes inside paragraph tags, although the other way around is okay. You can see examples of this in the Bloomberg Pushes Pelosi on Gun Control post, among others.

Those were the major elements I found in the page source. Those intermixed tags are apparently giving IE fits.

Posted by: Boyd at March 19, 2007 10:58 AM

Wow, Boyd, don't know how the close tags got lost but I just did that.

I can do nothing about the paragraph tags -- that is, Movable Type (hereafter MT) inserts those every time I enter a carriage return and there's no way to turn that off.

The only solution to making newspaper quotes stand out is if I stop using the blockquote and italic tags. MT doesn't allow (in this version I'm using) the inclusion of CSS elements directly into the post entry form or I could design (in my dreams) some sort of new class for quotes.

About the only thing that I could do is make all quotes all within a span tag, which the editor allows, but I don't know how to do that -- where it indents both margins and changes the font at the same time to indicate that you -- the reader -- are reading someone else's words, not mine.

Suggestions? I mean, besides everyone switching to Firefox?

Posted by: Jeff Soyer at March 19, 2007 11:31 AM

One solution we found was to click on the archive link. The page then comes up just fine in IE7 with XP. Weird.

Posted by: Yosemite Sam at March 19, 2007 02:00 PM

Jeff, do you hit the carriage return (okay, I'm an old typewriter-based fart like you) before you put in the blockquote? That might make a difference with the paragraph tags.

Posted by: Boyd at March 19, 2007 02:30 PM

Can't... Stop... Myself...

Everyone should switch to Firefox!

Sorry Jeff, it had to be done.

Posted by: Magus at March 19, 2007 03:37 PM

Well, I agree, Magus, but that notwithstanding, Moveable Type is pumping out some junk and Firefox is able to figure it out, where IE can't. So it appears to me that this isn't so much a problem with IE as it is with MT.

Posted by: Boyd at March 19, 2007 03:59 PM

My AOL 9.0 on Windows Vista leaves the middle of the page blank. Your site and a couple of others have the same problem. First article or two are fine and then--zilch.

Works fine on FireFox however.

(On the other hand, my MAC PowerBook G4 with AOL 7 has no problem either. Go figure.)

Posted by: joated at March 19, 2007 05:45 PM

FireFox on Linux, no problems.

IE is only at version 7?? I used versions 5 and 6 on my old Win98 box, before I went pure-Linux.

Posted by: karrde at March 19, 2007 10:35 PM
Note: Comments close down on posts after seven days and then
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Your comments are welcome. You don't need to enter a URL and you don't need a "valid" email address, either. Note though that MT Blacklist is installed to flag suspiciously spam-like strings. Unfortunately, because of the bastard spammers, the strings "google.com" and "yahoo.com" (even in your email address) are currently banned as well. So are strings such as "cialis" (a common spam) which rules out words such as "socialism". Try putting a hyphan in a word like that.

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