Alphecca

AMEN!!!

If a new continent suddenly arose, there are more than enough of us libertarians to go there, claim it, explore it, and form a new continent-spanning nation, Libertaria. Then we would implement strict immigration controls: only libertarians allowed.

The above dream is a hell of a lot better than the plan to make the dinky state of New Hampshire into a libertarian paradise. Unfortunately, the former is geologically impossible and the latter is legally impossible (libertarians can move into NH but can't kick socialists out).

A choice between Tweedle-scum or Tweedle-scummier?

I agree. Check my site.

I always liked what the Joker had to say in the first Batman movie:

   This town needs an enema!

That should be applied starting in D.C.

So what's your solution, Jeff? Stay home? Vote 3rd party on the few ballots you can find one?

If you want to refuse to vote for either of the two big parties, that's your right, but what are you going to do to help improve the situation? Not enough people are gonna vote that way to get a Libertarian (or Green, thank god!) elected, except maybe for local races.

Universal Liberty is inversely proportional to Universal Suffrage.

Jeff,
I know that you read and respect Kim DuToit, so I hope you've seen what he has to say on the subject of staying home or voting Democrat, "to teach those Republicans a lesson".

BAD IDEA!

We do not ever want to let the Democrats regain power, ever.

The real challange is to get decent people to run for office and get them onto the ballot by voting for them in the Primary Elections. This is the most important thing for us to remember.

Please don't stay home!

I have no intention of staying home and not voting. I intend to vote for whomever I consider WORTHY of my vote and if that is a third party candidate, so be it. I do not believe in the theory that I HAVE TO vote Republican because while they might suck, they don't suck as much as the Democrats.

That defeatest thinking only insures that we continue to get sucky candidates and that each congress will be worse than the one before it.

I am willing to suffer through terrible administrations if others are willing to follow my idea, first as a trickle, then as a stream, and finally as a flood of voters refusing to accept the status quo and start voting for a worthy independent third or fourth party. Over the years, eventually the Dems and Reps will seriously miss those voters and have to adjust and correct themselves, or doom themselves to extinction.

Ross Perot was able to garner 19% of the popular vote one year (I think, don't feel like looking it up, now) so it IS possible. It might take 10 election year cycles but so be it. What's that saying, "Do it for the kids!"

What isn't possible --to me at any rate-- is to lamely say that we should just accept mediocrity and corruption and hypocrisy as an acceptable standard for those who govern us. I refuse to compromise on my rights and I refuse to compromise on those who control those rights.

If that means I and others suffer in the short term, well, better that than in the long term.

Fuckin' A Jeff, you nailed it right on the head.

Perhaps, Jeff, there is a solution..Ever read "Atlas Shrugged"?

The solution is to get better candidates. Both R's and D's are lost causes in that department. We need a viable third party. We almost had one in the Reform Party, until Buchanan killed it with his stupid power grab. Is there anyone out there who's willing to try again?

>Hell will freeze over before I vote for ANY >Democrat or Republican again. And spare me your >fucking "would you rather see so-and-so...lesser of >two evils...throwing away your vote" bullshit. We >need a revolution

Amen, brother. I get a lot of odd looks and comments about "throwing away my vote" when I vote Libertarian every time at the polls.

I thought my duty at the poll was to vote *for the guy or gal who I want to see elected* rather than "The lesser of two evils" or "The one that really has a shot at winning."

In an ideal world, of course you'd be voting for the candidate you *want*. It's too bad the Libertarians keep fielding nutters.

Jeff, my concern is that by voting Independent and probably throwing the election to a Democrat, you'd be messing up my life. I don't want another AWB. I don't want a party who posts *more* liberal judges. I don't want a party that'll raise my taxes in spite of the fact that the Bush tax cuts *raised revenue*.

And Ross' 19% or whatever it was threw the election to Wild Bill, which perfectly demonstrates the point you dismiss. GHW Bush wasn't a great President by any means, but he probably would've been better than Clinton.

In the late 80s or early 90s a group of libertarians started the Oceana Project, which involved building a city-state anchored in the ocean using the same kind of technology employed in offshore oil rigs and similar types of construction. I think I first read about it in Reason mag. I don't know what happened to it - they were looking for investors as I recall - but the idea is intriguing. The human capital, the tools, the technology - it's all right here. The Oceana Project had even developed a constitution, bill of rights, and a set of laws. Galt's Gulch on the ocean? It could happen, it should happen.

Sorry Rick, but I will not vote for someone I don't want.

Having just got hit with a $500 fine for buying cigarettes out of state, I think it's about time for a bunch of native Americans to dress up like Europeans, liberate a load of cigarettes and dump them in Boston or New York, or whatever harbor.

Alas, such hasn't happened in America since 1773.

I hate the Dems, but the Pubbies, far from being the leeser of the evils, has become the worst of both worlds. All of the reckless spending of Dems with the morality police thrown in. They have not actively supported the Dem's version of the morality police (PC, smoking etc.), but considering they have been innefective in stopping it, it has been cold comfort.

The lesser of the evils only works if one side is actually less evil. Libertarians can count on me this election. It could be a waste, but hopefully it can at least be a message.

Well, I'm seriously thinking of stopping smoking. Why, not because they're reinstating the nazi smoking bans, but to stock up on ammo, mags, and guns for '08. Something wicked this way comes.

As for all your other points Jeff, right on.

Fair enough, Jeff--just remember if the Dems take the House and roll back tax cuts, and cut and run from Iraq, and reinstate the AWB, etc., etc., what part you helped play. If you can live with the consequences of your actions, well, I can't rightly criticize you for it. (That, of course, goes for pretty much any decision any adult makes.)