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June 23, 2006

1894C Ammo

Picked up my new Marlin 1894C yesterday. I took it immediately to the range since the weather didn't actually suck for a change. While the lever is a bit stiff -- to be expected with a new gun -- the rifle operated flawlessly through 100 rounds of .38 round nose. I didn't have my camera with me but next time will. The stock is really nicely figured walnut. I'm almost sorry it's "checkered" (their "Cowboy Special" isn't) but I also know that when you're sweating at the range on those 90 degree days, the checkering helps a lot. I tried taking some photos a few minutes ago but they came out blurred and at 2:00 in the morning, I don't feel like dragging out the tripod and making a big production out of it. I'll do some gun pr0n on it next week.

What a hoot this gun is! Would someone please send me a cowboy hat? I was only trying it out at 25 yards but when I have more time will go after the 50 yards boards as well. This is my fourth Marlin and folks, I gotta tell ya, I really LIKE Marlin a lot. They work great, are rugged, always seem well sited from the factory, and are just plain fun.

One interesting thing. I was rather ignorant about proper ammo to use for this 357/38 special gun. The dealer said round nose .38 was fine and he also gave me a box of 357 "cowboy" loads, which I didn't have time to try.

When I got home, I read the user booklet which cryptically said that standard ammo (including 357 mag) is fine except for wad cutters. I decided to call the Marlin customer service line. Only had to hold a few minutes and then a helpful lady explained that yes -- all standard round nose is fine in the gun -- no fear of a tubular "chain reaction" but to avoid full-metal jacket round nose. She also said that wad cutters don't feed right (which struck me strange when I think of my 30-30) and additionally, that the "cowboy" 357 the dealer gave me is not recommended as it is "under-powered". I thought that was interesting if somewhat contradictory.

Lastly, she said that hollow points (I have a bunch of .38 plus P Starfire lying around) are fine.

If anyone cares to elaborate on all this, I'd welcome your comments on do's and don't's of good ammos to use in the Marlin 1894C 38/357 lever gun. This was somewhat helpful but I don't handload, and it sounds from it (and the user manual) that the length of the cartridge are important? But 38 and 357 are different lengths. I'm confused. Help!

Thanks!

Posted by Jeff Soyer at June 23, 2006 02:32 AM
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Not sure, but it sounds like the square end of a wad cutter may occasionally catch in the mouth of the chamber, where a semi wad cutter or round nose would funnel itself into the chamber.

Give it a try, It might do to have some rounds made up without powder and using fired primers, so that you don't have anything going bang or spilling powder everywhere...

keep a sturdy cleaning rod handy incase anything gets stuck and you need to tap it out.

Then give that leaver all sorts of slow & gentle and fast n rough treatment, muzzle down, muzzle up and all ways side to side too...

I'm not sure what accuracy will be like with a flush seated lead WC, cos that's quite a jump it has before it hits the rifling, but then lever guns are for usin & havin fun with, and none of us shoots less than 4" at 100 yards off hand...

Posted by: Keith at June 23, 2006 09:28 AM

I can't imagine why an "underpowered" Cowboy load would be an issue in a lever gun, unless it's so underpowered that the bullet doesn't make it out of the barrel. Or maybe if there's not enough pressure to expand the brass to seal the chamber. Otherwise it makes no sense to me at all.

Keith's right about wad cutters. You need some kind of bevel in front to feed correctly. As for cartridge length, it looks like some can be too long in overall length (case length alone is almost certainly irrelevant) to feed properly. I suspect this is an issue only with handloads, but it's certainly possible that some factory .357s are too long.

Posted by: Ken Summers at June 23, 2006 01:39 PM

Marlin Owners is a great site for all your Marlin questions.

Posted by: anonymous at June 23, 2006 02:18 PM

My 1894 C is an awesome gun as well. marlin's love the heavier bullets with the .357's it seems. I would try 158 - 180 gr hollow/flat nose/round nose bullets. I hadload my 357 rounds, and I can get 1" @50 yds if I do my part with iron sights.

Posted by: SUman Palit at June 23, 2006 09:20 PM

Length is indeed an issue but it is as much an issue of too short as too long - a full wadcutter in a .38 S&W special case is short and lacks a guide into the chamber so it may go astray from tubular magazine to chamber - compare the length of the .38 case with other cartridges the 336 action was designed around. Remember the need to carefully clean the chamber when short cases (.38) are used in a longer (.357) chamber. That's one reason many load light in a full length case.

Posted by: CEM at June 24, 2006 11:00 AM

If you remove the magazine plug, spring, and spring guide, you can compress the spring to see how much the guide can be shortened. This will allow a few more rounds to be loaded; I think mine will accept 12 .357-length cartridges.

My loads are 158gr. LSWC bullets over 3.0 gr. of BullsEye, quite a light charge. I wouldn't be afraid to go lighter, if I felt the need.

Accuracy can vary, depending on bullets. I had some machine-cast bullets that grouped about 10" at 50 yards. A Club Member's home-cast bullets will do 2" or 3" at 50 yards, without trying to work up any special load. Mine is for CAS use, so I don't much care about utmost accuracy.

I also drilled & tapped the tang for a Marble's sight. It's nice, but I decided to not use it for Cowboy shooting, so removed it.

Love the Marlin!!

Posted by: Jim Dunmyer at June 25, 2006 08:31 PM

Sweet gun! I"ve been drooling on them too.

I've run afoul of the cartridge length problem and believe me, you do not want to load a too long cartridge in a lever gun! It will hang up on the mouth of the magazine tube jamming the cartridge lifter. Getting the overly long round out of the gun will involve disassembling the magazine tube, or backing the offending cartridge out the loading port. Either way an enormous pain.

Feeding blunt rounds like wadcutters can be eased considerably by a bit of stoning of the chamber mouth. It doesn't take much, just break the sharp edge and knock down any burrs so they don't grab the nose of the bullet. I've found this also helps feeding of semi-wadcutters and flat-nosed bullets like the LBTs.

Finally, the .38 Special and .357 mag are the world's greatest arguments for reloading. The brass is cheap and, at least in .38 Special, lasts forever. With 7000 grains in a pound of powder you can get 2300+ rounds out of a single can of Bullseye using 3 grains per pop. The Marlins I've got all love cast bullets and they're cheap too. Best of all, it gives you something to do when it's too dark to shoot!

Posted by: Swen Swenson at June 25, 2006 11:08 PM

I feed my 1894C a steady diet of whatever commercial .357 158-gr JSP happens to be cheapest (American Eagle, S&B, Remington, you name it) and never have problems with it. I also have shot some .38 FMJ round-nose (the manual doesn't warn against it or anything) with no problems--did the Marlin rep say whyFMJ RN was a problem?

Posted by: Kirk Parker at June 26, 2006 01:16 AM

I don't think the Marlin rep had a problem with FMJ in .38 -- not powerful enough to start a chain detonation -- but was warning about FMJ in 357. Too hard a point that could start one. I guess the regular lead round nose has enough "give" to cushion the recoil.

Posted by: Jeff Soyer at June 26, 2006 07:24 AM
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