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July 16, 2005

VPC Tries Different Tack on Guns

Having failed to demonstrate that gun ownership by the law-abiding leads to more crime, the Violence Policy Center is now focusing on teen suicide as a reason to disarm American citizens. From the Laramie Boomerang (WY):


Wyoming has one of the highest youth gun suicide rates in the nation, but questions persist about what that means and how to fix the problem.

The Violence Policy Center in Washington, D.C., released a study that looked at data from the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control’s database from the years 2000 through 2002 to determine gun suicide numbers for children and teens 16 and younger. The raw numbers were then broken out into rates per 100,000 youths in the age range for each state.

Wyoming had five youth gun suicides during that span, but because of the state’s small population base, that meant a rate per 100,000 youths of 1.43. While the aggregate number is not overwhelming, the worst 10 states listed in the center’s study were all western states that they characterized as having “extremely weak” gun laws.

“Wyoming’s gun laws do not really add much to the federal laws,” said Kristen Rand, the legislative director for the center. “Wyoming does not add a background check for hand guns or long guns, and they have no licensing or additional restrictions, including child access prevention.”

In Rand’s view, it is not a coincidence that the 10 states with the highest rates (Alaska, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, North Dakota, Nebraska, South Dakota, Utah, New Mexico and Colorado) all have lax gun laws, while the jurisdictions with the best rates (Washington, D.C., Massachusetts, and Connecticut) all have stringent gun rules.

“This is a very strong indicator that gun laws keep guns, particularly handguns, out of the home and prevent suicide,” said Rand. “These laws are important because youth suicide virtually always involves handguns in the home.”

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Permits, controls over what types of guns may be purchased, and guns locked away in a safe place in the home are changes to the laws in Western states Rand would like to see enacted.


Rand's arguments are specious on almost every level. First of all, you'll notice that most of the states listed are in the northern climes where suicides (of all ages) tend to occur with greater frequency anyway, by any means. Indeed, as this chart from the Psychiatric Times shows, countries such as Finland, New Zealand, Canada, Scotland, and Iceland and others all have higher rates than the US in almost every age group including teens. Some of them have double the rate and all of them have at least as many gun control laws in place as the states mentioned by the VPC press release.

I'm not a psychiatrist (but I play one on TV) but I think most would agree that part of the high rates are attributable to long winters and more "darkness", sometimes called light-deficiency-disorder or some such thing. These areas also tend to be more sparsely populated resulting in less socializing by teens with others of their own age. Alcoholism and drug use tend to be higher in these areas as well.

A quick search of the internet will also bring up studies (legit or not) that there are also high rates of suicide among gay teenagers, and -- really -- listening to country music. Perhaps parents should be required to lock-up their Garth Brooks CDs.

If someone wants to kill themselves, they will find a way. It's for that reason that, unlike the VPC, most mental health workers focus on the "why?" of teen suicide instead of the "how?" Ask almost any experienced coroner or cop, they will tell you that many head-on crashes into highway overpass abutments aren't accidents.

The VPC's Rand also says that these states don't have enough regulation of the types of guns people can own. If a child is going to kill themselves, does it really matter WHAT type of firearm they use? Again, that's a nonsense argument. It goes without saying that requiring a parent to have a "permit" for a gun makes no difference to the situation, either.

In fact, the sole kernal of truth in their screed is that parents should be keeping their firearms in a safe manner. I've always said that myself; that unsupervised guns left lying around a house with children is an invitation. Considering the low levels of actual gun suicide within the teen age group, education is far better than having a law mandating it.

The example that the VPC uses, Wyoming, is also ridiculous because anytime you are using such micro-statistics, any tiny blip in them seems huge. I remember that one year Vermont's gun murders rose from 4 to 6 people. It is impossible to draw any sort of conclusion from that sample but the Brady Bunch did, in their own "yearly report" by breathlessly exclaiming that Vermont had a skyrocketing gun problem. Statistically I suppose they were right but the reality is that in a state with few people, one incident can seem dramatic. In the town I live in, there hasn't been a car stolen in about 15 years. If a kid suddenly decided to steal one this year, that would be a 100% increase! Or something like that. Mostly, it would be meaningless.

The Violence Policy Center will stop at nothing until all guns are banned. Now, they're trying to use the emotionally unstable teenage years as the reason to accomplish this. In my opinion, they are using false and misleading data and arguments. That's generally been their modus operandi all along.

Update: Several folks have questioned me (in comments, emails, and posts) as to why I didn't bring up the high suicide rate in Japan, where private gun ownership is prohibited. I did consider it but the answer is... Simple: Suicide in Japan is a cultural anomaly. That is, especially among the older generations, it is considered an honerable thing to do. So, I don't really consider it a valid example of what the VPC, or I, am referring to and I do believe in "fair play" in the debate over gun control. That's what sets me apart from the VPC!


Posted by Jeff Soyer at July 16, 2005 07:20 AM
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The real thrust of this effort is about Deconstructionism, and engineering a New Society that will be constructed on Reason and Human Secularism, with a healthy dose of Good Ol' Marxism.

These people's hobby - nay, religion, is the effort to deconstruct thousands of years of societal constructs that they view were created on illogical fears, initiating with sun-worship, and most recently evincing themselves in the re-election of The Great Satan, G.W. Bush.

What they aim to do: once they have successfully undermined what they consider to be a deeply dysfunctional society, they will build it back up using the Secular Humanist model: "there's no right or wrong, only shades of gray," and "evil people only need to have their motivations understood and their internal conflicts resolved to become Part Of The Collective," and "from each according to his means to each according to his needs." The effort to ban guns in any way possible is a reflection of their fear of the potential trouble they may have imposing their "ideas" on the rest of us.

They'll fix society, alright. Unfortunately, in the past when they tried it the effort usually involved Deconstruction and Rebuilding through violent means, as that's the only way to get us Great Unwashed Masses to comply with their loony philosphies.

When that happens, I'll be waiting with a rifle and a two-foot high pile of ammo.

Posted by: Libercontrarian at July 16, 2005 11:24 AM

Now, look, this part seems strange.
All the essays from the pro 2A bloggers (I am with you there), and no one has researched the teen suicide rate, statewise, regardless of gun laws.
Seems to me this data would be critical in debunking
the GFW efforts. Is nobody thinking, or are the 2A
supporters suffering from the same Tunnel Vision as the GFW's. Just seems strange....

Posted by: GrampaPinhead at July 17, 2005 02:39 AM

"it is not a coincidence that the 10 states with the highest rates (Alaska, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, North Dakota, Nebraska, South Dakota, Utah, New Mexico and Colorado) all have lax gun laws,"
This alone proves Rand and the study are frauds.
A crime, not nonsense, a crime of fraud.
What is the surprise? Florida has more drownings than Kansas becuause practically everybody has a pool AND everyone lives within a 1.5 hour drive to the ocean.
More people freeze to death in Minnesota than Hawaii and more people are killed in ice skating accidents in Massachusetts than Lousianna.
Why? The obvious.
Another reason is that she doesn't take into account how many teenagers lives were saved when the killed or scared off an animal never mind self defense.
It is people like her and the people who back these studies the reason we need guns.
They are racisits who will not let law get in the way, the are above it, just ask them, from doing what they want.

Posted by: Terry at July 17, 2005 02:54 AM

... that would be a 100% increase! Or something like that."

It'd be an infinite increase, Jeff, ... but, I get your point.

Keep up the good work!

Posted by: Jimmy Antley at July 17, 2005 08:46 AM

Gun suicides actually outnumber gun homicides. In 1999, there were 16,599 gun suicides compared to 10,828 firearm homicides.

If we could magically make all guns disappear, would the number of suicides decrease? No. All relevant studies indicate that firearm availability is associated with rates of FIREARM suicide, but has no significant association with rates of TOTAL suicide. Where guns are less common, there is complete substitution of other methods of suicide .... while gun levels influence the choice of suicide method, they have no effect on the number of people who die in suicides.

From 1972 to 1995 the per capita gun stock in the US increased by more than 50%. During this same period, the US suicide rate was virtually constant, fluctuating only slightly within the narrow range from 11.8 to 13.0 suicides per 100,000 population. In 1972 the suicide rate was 11.9 per 100,000. After this "arms build-up" the total suicide rate remained unchanged at 11.9 in 1995.

People who want to commit suicide, WILL, regardless of gun availability.

Posted by: Guav at July 18, 2005 10:06 AM

I would like to know how many suicides there were in Wyoming by means other than a gun. We have 5 by gun and how many.....

Posted by: Titan Mk 6B at July 18, 2005 04:21 PM

Guns are NOT outlawed in Japan. Just uncommon. Any citizen can get a license and buy a gun. Only handguns are outlawed.

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