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February 25, 2005

.50 Caliber Ban Proposed in IL

Why not, right? Seems to be the gun-control de jour of the moment. From the Chicago Sun-Times:


Anti-gun lawmakers are seeking a ban on .50-caliber "sniper rifles," saying they're favored by terrorists and can shoot down aircraft from a range of more than 2,000 yards -- though they don't appear to be tied to any crimes here in the last decade, a Chicago Sun-Times analysis shows.

A spokesman for the National Rifle Association, which is pushing dozens of its own bills in the General Assembly, vowed to fight the sniper-rifle legislation backed by Representatives Elaine Nekritz (D-Northbrook) and Beth Coulson (R-Glenview).

"There isn't a single person in the United States that I know of who has been killed by one of these firearms," said Todd Vandermyde, an NRA lobbyist in Springfield.


I'm not going to re-hash my usual arguments. Instead, I'm going to pinch myself. On first reading this news story, I had to double-check that it wasn't an op-ed by a pro-Second Amendment writer.

Read that first paragraph again, the journalists don't say, "gun control advocates" or "concerned legislators" or such. They start right out with "anti-gun lawmakers" which is the type of phrasing a blogger such as, uh, I would use. It typecasts the proponents of the bill right off the bat.

They quickly follow by stating that according to their own research, the guns aren't implicated in any crimes. That's all within the first few sentences. Wow! Then they quickly follow with quotes from the NRA. That's before they quote the anti-gun lawmakers, er, I mean concerned legislators.

Folks, this is in the Chicago Sun-Times, no friend to gun owners in general. I'll have to give this another mention on my Weekly Check this coming Tuesday.

Posted by Jeff Soyer at February 25, 2005 02:30 PM
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Jeff:

Well, as one of the "Reston Champps Friday Night Group," which refers to an incident that apparently went global while I wasn't looking, I hope my bonafides are OK. But if the logic of anticipatory retaliation makes sense then wouldn't it be prudent to ban a weapon that could be used to bring down aircraft from a distance? I guess there are two real issues here:

1. Would such a weapon be used for such a purpose or are there reasons that prevent it, even if it's technically feasible?

2. Aassuming there is some danger, are there other ways to address the problem that might actually be more effective than banning?

It just seems to me that the weapon of choice would be an RPG or something of that nature, rather than a .50 cal rifle. In an urban setting one certainly wouldn't need a .50 cal weapon to do a lot of harm, and I wouldn't think there'd be any particular caliber advantage.

But having said that, at a certain point (whether at .50 or higher I'm not saying, because I haven't thought it though) a long gun becomes a cannon, and I think the founders specifically excluded cannon from their "right to bear" justifications. It's sort of a gray area, I know, but there is a principle that we ought to keep in mind.

Good points about the phraseology. The Champps incident, though totally innocuous from my perspective, had the advantage not only of educating the constabulary about the law of open carry and the princples behind it, but educating a lot of journalists about the "pro-gun" side of things. I still can't believe our little dinner party became an international incident.

Jackman WaPo article that got the ball rolling.

An extremely prejudicial NYT article

Apparently it was even picked up in foreign news sources, but I haven't any links. By the way, we open carry at a restaurant every Friday night after range practice. You know, if anyone wants to join us.

Posted by: Demosophist at February 26, 2005 01:24 PM

Demosophist,

There is absolutely no indication that rifles of this type are "terrorist weapons". Certainly, terrorists have demonstrated themselves capable of obtaining far more dangerous weapons (explosives, machine guns) than these.

I feel very confident in stating that there has never been a single person killed with one of these rifles. I can say that because the anti-gunners cannot cite one.

And as for the founders excluding cannons - not likely. Many (perhaps most) of the artillery pieces used during the American Revolution were privately owned, as were some warships (often privately owned merchant ships outfitted with cannon and commissioned by the Congress, or even privateers).

Posted by: Ken Summers at February 28, 2005 10:37 AM

I actually have heard of one crime ever committed with a .50 BMG weapon - a bank robbery back in the early 70s committed with a .50 Browning heavy machine gun. That particular weapon was purchased illegally in Canada.

Posted by: Ken Summers at February 28, 2005 10:41 AM
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