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November 17, 2004

This Isn't Hunting...

Folks, I've said here before that I'm not a hunter anymore but I support it (as any casual reader here can tell) a LOT. Just as shooting animals kept in a fenced lot (even if it's several acres) isn't "hunting", neither is this:


HOUSTON (Reuters) - Hunters soon may be able to sit at their computers and blast away at animals on a Texas ranch via the Internet, a prospect that has state wildlife officials up in arms.

A controversial Web site, Live-Shot.com, already offers target practice with a .22 caliber rifle and could soon let hunters shoot at deer, antelope and wild pigs, site creator John Underwood said on Tuesday.

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Underwood, an estimator for a San Antonio, Texas auto body shop, has invested $10,000 to build a platform for a rifle and camera that can be remotely aimed on his 330-acre (133-hectare) southwest Texas ranch by anyone on the Internet anywhere in the world.


I've only hunted a couple times but I can tell you this from my talks with others: Hunting is much more than just sitting there pulling the trigger. It's about trekking out there in the forest, getting back to nature (to use a stupid leftist term) and sweating or freezing or just feeling the world around you as you track an animal that will put food on your table, challenge you in doing it, and force you to leave your comfortable home to do it. It's about appreciating the great outdoors.
Real hunting means getting up really early and heading out with your dad or son or mom and learning how to track an animal, the patience to wait for it to come by your stand, the skill to know your rifle, the thrill to feel the recoil as your eye and your gun reward your diligence.

It's a way to connect with your family and friends, a sport that pits you against the prey, it's almost a religion. Schools in areas that still respect hunting actually give the kids time off at the start of the season.

Yeah, this company will send you the stuffed-head if you like, or butcher the meat and mail it to you. That's not quite the same thing as actually being outdoors and stalking and shooting and dragging and then bringing it -- your prize -- to the weigh-station, carving it up (or paying a local to do it) and being able to brag about your triumph to everyone for years to come.

And how lame is "remote" target shooting? Where's the fun of loading a magazine, pinning up the target, smelling the gunsmoke, holding the bullet-riddled target in your hand, and cleaning your rifle afterwards?

Hunting and shooting is much more than just sitting in front of an effing computer.

I hope and doubt that most people reading this will consider this new computer type "remote shooting" to be "hunting". Maybe I'm wrong and you can all trash me in the comments.

Take your best shot...

Update 11/18: Matt Lauer of the Today Show just interviewed the spokesman of the remote hunting site. Lauer seemed to hold his contempt in check but did ask, "Doesn't a hunter have the responsibility to be present -- to honor the animal he's taking?" or something like that (it was actually a quote he was reading). The spokesman said that there are disabled folks who can't go hunting in a traditional fashion. That was pretty much the whole interview other than that when the "remote hunting" operation got underway, the .22 would be changed to a higher caliber rifle.

Some other bloggers have noticed the story too, including Aubrey Turner.

Update 11/19: My buddy Ken at Second Breakfast is offering his own thoughts based on his heartfelt personal familial experience about the issue of hunting by computer. So Ken, how do you really feel?


Posted by Jeff Soyer at November 17, 2004 08:07 PM
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I just returned from a week hunting deer with a bow. I took a nice small doe and a nice 8 point buck. I just brought home about 150 pounds of meat. I go back for another week right after Thanksgiving for gun week. There is absolutly no way to explain to someone what going out and camping in a tent for a week and being in the woods everyday is all about. You have to experience it to understand it. I saw this game from someone that e-mailed it to me. What a joke. Wannabe people everywhere. I guess however I would prefer that those city folks would stay home and play this game rather to come into my woods and shoot the first thing that moves even if it is me. I have little respect for those that condem what I do with out any understanding of it. I do not need to kill any thing, but I do need to go sit in the woods. I have posted some photos of camp and my buck over on my site if you are interested. I think you are right on the mark on this issue. Actually there are way too many ways that people find to try to be something that they are not. Kinda like riding a Harley. I rode over 200,000 miles on an old 63 pan head, but most people just want to be viewed as someone that has done this but they do not have it within themselves to try the experience for themself.

Posted by: JT_Hunter at November 17, 2004 08:39 PM


First off, I'm a Texan with a combo permit (hunting and fishing) from the state. And enough tackle in my closets and garage to use any and all parts of that permit that I want.

If the guy is dumb enough to try this (yes, I know that he runs a remote-control target shooting operation now but that's not live animals), he is walking into a refinery with a box of matches.

Aside from the fact that a .22 won't cleanly take a deer, let alone a feral hog, he is looking at serious legal problems.

Short list:
Hunting without a license (poaching) and/or aiding and assisting. Prove that the remote triggerman is legally licensed to take game and / or non game species in Texas.
Hunting with an unlawful weapon. Twenty-twos are not legal for deer in Texas; .243 minimum.
Operating a hunting preserve without a state license / permit.
Making a firearm available to a minor without supervision. Prove that the remote triggerman is of legal age.
Unsafe operation of a firearm.
Abuse of animals. Count on the SPCA and PETA to jump on this with a civil suit if an animal is only wounded by his .22. (That looks funny, but I think it's correct - .22.)

That's just off the top of my head. I'm not a prosecution lawyer or a game warden. If I was, I am sure that I could come up with many more problems.

Summary: this is a VERY BAD idea.

Posted by: homebru at November 17, 2004 09:41 PM

This sort of thing is a travesty. I have never hunted and it is an experience I have been building myself up to for the last year or so.

This is what a buddy of mine calls the "Cabelaization" of the hunting culture. All those shits from back east don't even need to come here anymore (which I guess is a good thing, unless you consider the fact that they don't have to freeze their asses of to take down game; they can do it in a heated loft and feel like Alpha-males.)

Fuck them. I've read too many stories over the last several weeks characterizing me as some backwards redneck because I own guns and tend to vote pro-gun.

These shits want to log onto the internet and then have a 3-point buck head mailed to them with 100 pounds of meat.

What about packing it out? Dressing it? All the shit that makes hunters hunt without a mouse scope?

Balderdash.

Posted by: Benjamin at November 18, 2004 05:05 AM
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