Gun Control Must Be Used As A Wedge Issue
In past elections, a candidate’s stance on gun control (or more rightly, gun rights) had a profound impact. Gore probably lost the 2000 election (at least several states, anyway) based upon the fact that he supported nationwide handgun registration and licensing. Certainly John Kerry’s record of voting for every single gun control measure in his senate tenure cost him a lot of votes. Many of the Democratic freshman elected in 2006 owed their victories to having a pro-Second Amendment tilt.
Writing in Human Events, Joe Babbin says that for 2008 it’s time for Republicans to make it a wedge issue:
In Hillary Clinton’s book, “Living History,” she writes about her outrage at Congress’ failure to, “…close the so-called gun-show loophole and to require child safety locks on guns.” She goes on talking about how Congress lacked the will to, “…buck the all-powerful gun lobby and pass sensible gun safety measures [which] made me think about what I might be able to do, as a senator, to pass common sense legislation. In an interview in May, I told CBS anchor Dan Rather that, if I ran for the Senate, it would be because of what I learned in places like Littleton — and in spite of what I had lived through in Washington.”
Clinton never did anything about gun control as a senator. What would she do as president? Does she believe that the Second Amendment gives individuals the right to keep and bear arms, or does she favor confiscative laws such as the District of Columbia law the Supreme Court will rule on in the Heller case?
We know the answer. But it’s up to the Republican candidates to flush her out of the tall weeds. This is an important issue to a great majority of Americans across the map, in Blue States, not just Red ones. It could be the wedge issue that decides the 2008 election.
So far, the Republican candidates have been making it a wedge issue only amongst themselves. It might be a tad early to make it a national issue such as abortion and social security are.
Besides, if Giuliani or Romney win the nomination, their lack of credibility would make it a moot point in the national debate. Is there really a difference between their positions and that of Hillary’s or Obama’s? Nope. Gun control can only be a spot of contention if the two parties’ candidates disagree about it.
My current prediction is that if Giuliani (or Romney) is the nominee, the Democratic candidate will slaughter them in the presidential election because a large percentage of Republican voters will stay home, particularly Evangelicans (abortion) and gun rights supporters.
If the Supreme Court rules favorably for an individual right to keep and bear arms, that could force the nominee of both parties to debate the issue. Again, if — on the Republican side — that’s Rudy or Mitt, there is nothing to debate; no difference in position.
It just might be vital that Thompson or McCain win the early primary season or Republicans have nothing to run on, nothing to differentiate themselves from Democrats. And yes, McCain isn’t perfect on gun rights but he’s much better than Rudy or Mitt.
Certainly the Republicans cannot claim to be the party of “fiscal responsibility” after six years of a pork free-for-all and a ballooning federal budget. About the only thing they have left is abortion and rejection of government run health care. The third leg, somewhat wobbly, is how a candidate plans to wrap things up in Iraq; cut and run or orderly withdrawal as events there dictate. Therefore gun rights could be the important fourth leg to their platform.
46 Responses to “Gun Control Must Be Used As A Wedge Issue”



on 26 Nov 2007 at 8:52 am # Bruce
QUOTE: My current prediction is that if Giuliani (or Romney) is the nominee, the Democratic candidate will slaughter them in the presidential election because a large percentage of Republican voters will stay home, particularly Evangelicans (abortion) and gun rights supporters.
Yep.
on 26 Nov 2007 at 9:54 am # Jim
Those dumb-asses at the Republican leadership should be reading your blog, daily.
on 26 Nov 2007 at 10:31 am # BobG
“About the only thing they have left is abortion and rejection of government run health care.”
I think illegal immigration is also an important topic, but seems to be ignored by both parties.
on 26 Nov 2007 at 12:03 pm # F4GIB
“I believe in the Second Amendment, and I don’t see any contradiction between the Second Amendment and laws that keep guns out of the hands of criminals,” Mrs. Clinton said. [i]“People like to say, ‘you’re in this camp, you’re in that camp.’ I don’t think that’s a productive way of thinking about it.[/i]
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/25/in-iowa-clinton-is-pressed-on-murdoch/index.html?hp
If her lips are moving, she’s lying. T
The politically “productive” way of dealing with the issue is to LIE. Guilani and Romney do, why not Clinton.
on 26 Nov 2007 at 1:21 pm # dan in michigan
I don’t know Jeff. If Rudy and Mitt SWEAR not to do anything harmful to the 2nd, they would be a better choice than any Dem. It will be hold your nose time. If the Dems landslide, were are in real trouble.
on 26 Nov 2007 at 1:27 pm # Keith
I’ve been stirring the shit on a UK home shop engineering discussion board (nothing new in that).
Apparently one of the UK HSM magazines said that the British home office (dept of justice) was thinking about licencing home workshops (just incase someone got tempted to make their own “toys”, there is nothing about locking up more violent crimminals for longer, of course).
We all know how successful registration is in fighting crime:
all legal handguns in Britain licenced since 1920’s and all legal handguns confiscated in ‘97-’98, crimes using hanguns double ‘97 to ‘07…
Canada’s long gun registry…
anyone who values 2A has a choice:
a)ensure that a pro 2a candidate gets in
b) buy shares in Harbour Freight (that’ll scare the shit out of them)
Kieth
on 26 Nov 2007 at 1:32 pm # jblog
Regarding your prediction, I think it depends on who the Democratic candidate is.
Hillary is such a polarizing figure that I think anyone with any Republican pretensions will come out and pull the lever for the GOP candidate, even if they have to hold their nose to do it.
If Obama is the candidate, I think your prediction is more likely.
on 26 Nov 2007 at 1:34 pm # Eric
From http://www.joinrudy2008.com/issues/
Rudy Giuliani is a strong supporter of the Second Amendment. He understands that every law-abiding American has an individual right to keep and bear arms that is guaranteed by the Constitution. To deal with a city where crime was out of control, Mayor Giuliani worked to get guns out of the hands of criminals — resulting in a 66% drop in the murder rate and 72% reduction in criminal related shootings. The best way to deal with gun crime is to prosecute the criminals and enforce the laws already on the books. Rudy Giuliani will make sure that if someone commits a crime with a gun, they will go to prison for the mandatory sentence.
To watch Rudy’s comments on every citizen’s Constitutional right to bear arms, please click here.
on 26 Nov 2007 at 1:44 pm # Lergnom
Keith,
Sir;
Can you provide a link to the UK home shop engineering discussion board you were referring to?
Thanks in advance
on 26 Nov 2007 at 1:47 pm # Letalis Maximus, Esq.
Most of the major candidates seem to agree on one thing about guns and gun control:
They don’t want to talk about it.
We should not be willing to accept that.
on 26 Nov 2007 at 1:59 pm # Keith
Hi Lergnom,
Not a problem:
http://modeleng.proboards20.com/index.cgi?board=funstuff1&action=display&thread=1139265788
Sorry the address for the thread is a bit long
Keith
on 26 Nov 2007 at 2:02 pm # KG2V
Keith
Which HSM List? I belong to the US list - I suspect I may know who you are…
Can I by stock in MSC instead?
on 26 Nov 2007 at 2:09 pm # Gregory Koster
Dear Mr. Soyer: Good heavens. The resemblance to Andrew Sullivan is UNCANNY. To be sure, for him it was George Bush being what he had been all along: against gay marriage. But Andrew had persuaded himself otherwise, ending all discussion. We can all see the result. With you it is gun control. The only way your notions might make sense is if the Republicans were to retake control of Congress. No, really. Come on everyone, it isn’t THAT funny. Well, OK, I guess it is.
Mr. Soyer, you and those who think as you do, can stay at home next November, full of 200 proof self righteousness, poised to say “I told you so,” preening more than a trumpeter swan. But when Hillary takes the oath of office on 20 January 2009, two weeks after the new Democratic Congress assembles, be sure to lock yourself inside your house. You will find out, just as Andrew found out. Just as Randy Weaver found out: a government that is determined to take an individual’s guns away from him will succeed. You think the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms is bullying and arrogant now? Give it a shot under Hillary and a Democratic Congress. This can only be stopped at the ballot box. This means having to hold your nose and vote. It means Sullying your superior virtue. It does no good to bawl that you might do all this and still lose. The odds of the Executive or the Legislative remaining in Republican hands next year are daunting. Daunting enough to make everyone on the GOP side sweat. If you really believe in what you are saying, come out for Ron Paul, who definitely does believe in the Second Amendment, individual rights version, and will not countenance any effort to take your guns away. Of course endorsing Paul might color you as a crackpot, not to be taken seriously. But you’d be ideologically pure! That’s the big thing!
Isn’t it?
Sincerely yours,
Gregory Koster
on 26 Nov 2007 at 2:13 pm # TBinSTL
Taking this issue away from the Republicans is one of the basic strategies of the Dems and the reason that the MSM is attempting to annoint Rudy or Romney without the input of the unwashed electorate. The “innevitable” meme has been used to some effect. This is all reminding me of the run up to the ‘80 election. The establishment Republicans, along with the Democrats and their friends in the media are trying to give us GHW Bush again. We beat them then and we can beat them now!
on 26 Nov 2007 at 2:13 pm # Nobody Important
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/106471.html
In a 2001 Wash Post article about the founder of Monster.com’s interest in gun control, McCain was strongly supportive:
For McCain, [Andrew] McKelvey’s willingness to devote millions of dollars to influence lawmakers on issues such as gun control is something to be lauded rather than criticized. “I’m glad a guy with a billion dollars, or two billion dollars, wants to spend is money on an issue he feels strongly about,” McCain says.
on 26 Nov 2007 at 2:13 pm # Andy Freeman
Where did Soyer suggest staying home?
Hint - pointing out that some folks might stay home is not the same as suggesting that they do so.
on 26 Nov 2007 at 2:15 pm # Keith
KG2V
I generally go as Noddy or Alpacca45 (royalty payments to Jeff on the second one).
feel free to buy stock where you see fit, but I’d laugh my bits off if home shop machining suddenly became the number one past time.
I’m pretty sure that anyone who can be bothered to put a reasoned comment here or may other gun blogs can be trusted to own and use pretty much anything, but it will give those who would rather controll the law abiding than control known violent criminals something to pause and think about.
Keith
on 26 Nov 2007 at 2:17 pm # Andy Freeman
> He understands that every law-abiding American has an individual right to keep and bear arms that is guaranteed by the Constitution. To deal with a city where crime was out of control, Mayor Giuliani worked to get guns out of the hands of criminals
Trying to take guns out of the hands of criminals is nice, but what did Giuliani do about guns in the hands of non-criminals?
NYC has a history of guns for the connected and no one else. How did Giuliani change that?
on 26 Nov 2007 at 2:32 pm # Eric Scheie
Much food for thought here.
I find the “it’s either Giuliani or Romney!” chorus very suspicious, and I think it is being aided and abetted by the MSM. Fred Thompson is being systematically ignored at every turn.
on 26 Nov 2007 at 2:45 pm # HopefulCynic68
jblog wrote - “Regarding your prediction, I think it depends on who the Democratic candidate is.
Hillary is such a polarizing figure that I think anyone with any Republican pretensions will come out and pull the lever for the GOP candidate, even if they have to hold their nose to do it.”
That’s what the GOP northeastern elite is counting on, but I consider it a shaky gamble. No doubt it’s _mostly_ true, if the choice is between Rudy and Hillary he is the lesser evil, but the GOP was definitely the lesser evil in ‘06, too. ‘Lesser evil’ is not very inspiring.
It’s likely to be a close election, and if Hillary can persuade even a _few_ evangelicals and gun rights voters (they overlap) to stay home, unable to vote for either side, just a _few_, she wins and we’re screwed.
Now remember how Billary and the Dems handled the 1996 election. Remember that 2 year campaign of lies and distortions and illegally funded and coordinated ads.
If this turns into Hillary vs. Rudy, imagine the endless TV ads for nearly a year between February and November, by front groups that _sound_ conservative, like ‘Committee to Protect the Second Amendment’ or ‘Committee for Life’ or whatever.
They’ll be Hillary/Soros fronts but they won’t mention her, they’ll remind GOP voters, day in, day out, 24/7, month after month after month, about Rudy’s record on abortion, gay marriage, gun rights, immigration, etc.
Day after day after day after day…if she can persuade just a _few_ people to stay home on election day, she becomes President. And the nightmare thing about it is that for once, the Clintons would be _telling the truth_ about an opponent, so Rudy couldn’t really even fight back.
I’m very much afraid a Rudy candidacy is a disaster waiting to happen.
on 26 Nov 2007 at 2:49 pm # Tom Bri
Personally, I think the Dems are in trouble on the is again, what with the SCOTUS ruling coming up. I wrote a post on this recently, if you don’t mind me posting the link here.
http://getnbetter.blogspot.com/2007/11/guns-on-supreme-court.html
on 26 Nov 2007 at 3:06 pm # fox3
The whole question with people with nothing to do but make up new laws all day and night (which they are not subject to) is just what does / will / can “Law Abiding” mean at any particular moment in time?
When they abridge the most basic rights on any basis you are asking for trouble…
on 26 Nov 2007 at 3:27 pm # Colin K.
This election is a chess set and right now you’re playing checkers on it.
The only candidate who is reliably better than Rudy or Mitt is Thompson. Huckabee is basically Lincoln Chafee with a drawl and a Bible, and McCain’s relationship with the Bill of Rights is tense at best. The problem with Thompson is that he can’t organize a piss-up in a pub, as the Brits would say, and the only places he’s viable in are polls of unlikely voters.
Whichever way SCOTUS breaks on the DC case, we need to be thinking about “judging up” to solidify or ameliorate in the aftermath. I will take the worst guy Rudy or Mitt would nominate over the best nominee of any Democratic president, any day of the week.
One thing you do not want to see is a “Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Rudy/Mitt” bumper sticker.
on 26 Nov 2007 at 3:48 pm # The Ace
Both Rudy and Romney issued statements saying that they hope SCOTUS should uphold the ruling by the DC Circuit.
Rudy
Romney
That is in stark contrast to anything said (or not) by Hillary!
on 26 Nov 2007 at 3:48 pm # The Ace
Er, not “should uphold” but “will uphold” above ^
on 26 Nov 2007 at 4:08 pm # Greg
My current prediction is that if Giuliani (or Romney) is the nominee, the Democratic candidate will slaughter them in the presidential election because a large percentage of Republican voters will stay home, particularly Evangelicans (abortion) and gun rights supporters.
If so, they’re idiots.
We know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Clinton will appoint bad Supreme Court Justices. We know there are several old bad Supreme Court Justices who will retire under a Clinton Presidency, and get replaced by young bad SC “Justices”.
If you care about abortion, or gun rights, then stopping that is more important than liking the Republican nominee
on 26 Nov 2007 at 6:10 pm # Russ
QUOTE: My current prediction is that if Giuliani (or Romney) is the nominee, the Democratic candidate will slaughter them in the presidential election because a large percentage of Republican voters will stay home, particularly Evangelicans (abortion) and gun rights supporters.
Actually, that shouldn’t be their nightmare scenario. The true nightmare for “evangelicals” would be their sitting home……and Giuliani winning anyway. It would marginalize social conservatives for a generation.
on 26 Nov 2007 at 6:28 pm # Joel Rosenberg
Maybe — or maybe not — it would teach ‘em all a lesson for gun rights (more accurately, perhaps, “self-defense rights”?) voters to stay home if it’s Hillary vs. Rudy or Mitt, but . . .
. . . isn’t the difference between bad and worse always sharp and painful?
on 26 Nov 2007 at 6:30 pm # rockdalian
Greg
My current prediction is that if Giuliani (or Romney) is the nominee, the Democratic candidate will slaughter them in the presidential election because a large percentage of Republican voters will stay home, particularly Evangelicans (abortion) and gun rights supporters.
If so, they’re idiots.
Ok, heres my problem. You don’t agree with me you must be an idiot. What are you, a Kos Kid?
You think you are the fount of knowledge?
Well here’s a clue. I will never vote for a pro abortionist. I will face my G_d someday and answer for my actions. I will not say I voted that way for mere political expediency.
The Second Amendment is my second criteria. Rudy tried suing the gun manufacturers. His only purpose in doing so was to put them out of existence.
This Rino is 0 for 2.
Throw in his stance that he is pro illegals and he’s out.
on 26 Nov 2007 at 6:51 pm # mariner
It (gun control as a wedge issue) will never happen, because Republicans have become another party of expansive, expensive unconstitutional government.
McCain, Giuliani and Romney are all elitists who favor gun control of one flavor or another.
I believe both parties and the MSM are doing their best to ignore Thompson because they’re very, very afraid he is electable — and none of the more-government-is-the-answer types want to see him in office.
on 26 Nov 2007 at 7:00 pm # straightarrow
“Actually, that shouldn’t be their nightmare scenario. The true nightmare for “evangelicals” would be their sitting home……and Giuliani winning anyway. It would marginalize social conservatives for a generation.”-Russ
Actually Russ social conservatives and political liberals are the same species, just different coat colors. Both would use the power of government to cement their personal likes and dislikes onto onto others. Both use would use the tyranny of the majority to deny the political, civil, and personal rights of others.
I want a “political” conservative. Either of the other two is only a definition of the split of the spoils taken from a subjugated people.
on 26 Nov 2007 at 7:30 pm # Homer
If the Repubs are stupid enough to run Guliani or Romney, I won’t stay home - I’ll vote for whomever the Democrat presidential candidate is. I realize there’s no Democrat anywhere near the upcoming election who will preserve our gun rights, but better to have a known enemy to fight than to have a suckbutt who will turn against us when he thinks it convenient to do so.
on 26 Nov 2007 at 7:48 pm # HopefulCynic68
Homer wrote — “If the Repubs are stupid enough to run Guliani or Romney, I won’t stay home - I’ll vote for whomever the Democrat presidential candidate is. I realize there’s no Democrat anywhere near the upcoming election who will preserve our gun rights, but better to have a known enemy to fight than to have a suckbutt who will turn against us when he thinks it convenient to do so.”
This was/is my point about why Hillary would probably defeat either Rudy or Mitt. There are enough people who think like Homer, and more people who would simply sit out the election if it’s Hillary/Rudy, to probably kick it over to Hillary.
If it turns into Hillary vs. Rudy, our only real hope is that Hillary alienates more Dems than Rudy does GOPers.
on 26 Nov 2007 at 9:07 pm # Luton of Weeksville
I’m a conservative Republican White male from NE North Carolina. I think that Guiliani’s the only guy that can win for us. Why would he try any gun-grabbing? It would be death for him. Y’all remember how we shut Washington down during the immigrant Amnesty bill last summer? Look how he kicked ass in NYC. I’m personally tired of Southern White males as President, W included. For Chris’sake, give a Yankee or a Westerner or anybody else a chance!
on 26 Nov 2007 at 9:17 pm # Bruce
Eric, you posted that Rudy link in jest, I hope.
Rudy’s lawsuit aimed at bankrupting gun manufacturers as punishment for the actions of criminals is working its way through the judicial system as we speak.
Next, please explain to me the process of getting a concealed carry permit in NYC, both for people like Robert Deniro, Donald Trump and Steven Tyler, and for Joe Six-Pack living paycheck to paycheck in a two-bedroom bungalow in Queens.
Rudy and Hillary are two peas in a pod on the issue of gun rights. Both believe that gun ownership is a privilege to be doled out to those they deem worthy.
And, Mitt “I support Massachusetts’ gun laws” Romney’s no better.
on 26 Nov 2007 at 10:03 pm # Luton of Weeksville
Jaysus, a Republican’s got to be able to carry more than the South. Rudy could pick up some other states. I’d say give him a shot. I don’t think any of the others can do it. Possibly McCain. But he p*ssed off Southerners a long time ago. Southerners can compromise some. I want us to win this thing, dammit and I think G can do it. mJust think about it.
on 27 Nov 2007 at 12:15 am # Drew458
I will vote, and I will vote for whatever candidate the GOP puts forth. None of the guys running is perfect, but all of them are better than Hillary and Hillary-lite(but with a tan).
I caught Romney on CNN today, being interviewed by Wolf Blitzer. He was in favor of waiting periods when we had them, now he’s in favor of the instant background check we have. (Ok, I can bend a little and accept that). But then he goes on to say how he believes that people have the right to own guns, but not guns that are “unnecessarily powerful”. Holy crap. What a total weasel.
on 27 Nov 2007 at 3:32 am # Jagermann
Ron Paul is really the only TRUE gun-rights canidate. Even Fred Thompson has voted for numerous gun control legislation. Remember the Lautenberg Domestic Gun Confiscation Law? Good ol’ Fred voted for it. There was also a young adult gun ban that he voted for. Fred Thompson is still FAR better than most of the others running, but if anyone was to vote for a Republican strictly based upon the importance of gun rights than Ron Paul is your man. He’s got the most conservative voting record. He’s worth a Google search if you haven’t already looked into him.
on 27 Nov 2007 at 11:19 am # kevin
after looking at the candidates i gotta say i like huckabee he’s a former minister so he’ll pull in the bible thumping vote, he’s pro gun (the part we care about), and he wants to get rid of the IRS. just think how many people would like to see that happen
on 27 Nov 2007 at 12:28 pm # Thane Eichenauer
I’m only commenting on kevin’s comment above at 11:19 am.
I’ll believe Mike Huckabee is pro-safe and responsible firearm ownership (AKA pro gun) when I see an article written about Mr. Huckabee like the one Ryan Horsley of Red’s Trading Post wrote titled “Ron Paul Calls to Abolish the ATF”.
And then there is still his problem with being a closet socialist. There isn’t a government program out there Mike Huckabee doesn’t like.
Mike Huckabee is very much “…also running is Mike Huckabee”.
on 27 Nov 2007 at 4:04 pm # Whitehorse
We should pick the better candidate that best represents our values & ideals. THAT is the better candidate for winning the election - not necessarily the one the old media pundits & elites tell us is electable. Above, someone pointed out the 1980 election as a great example of what happens when the better candidate is picked over the one we’re told is more electable. 1996 & 2004 tell us what happens when the most “electable” candidate is chosen instead of the better candidate. I think Fred is the better; another may disagree. Regardless, let’s pick the better candidate & take our chances being right, rather than compromising…
on 28 Nov 2007 at 12:59 am # HopefulCynic68
Whitehorse wrote - “Above, someone pointed out the 1980 election as a great example of what happens when the better candidate is picked over the one we’re told is more electable.”
I’m a huge admirer of Reagan, but the GOP is today in danger of falling into a trap of living in the past. Ronald Reagan’s presidency was a quarter of a century ago, and the issues and the country are different now. The election of 1980 is to 2007 as the eleciton of 1952 was to 1980. Reagan is to whoever wins in 08 as Truman was to Reagan. That’s a big gap.
Also, the 1980 election is often remembered as a landslide, and this is inaccurate. It’s true that Reagan swept the _electoral_ vote, but his _popular_ vote share in 1980 was only 50.8%. John Anderson got 6.6% and he was mostly pulling from the Democrats, which is part of why 1980 is misremembered as a landslide.
(1984 _was_ a landslide, Reagan got 58.8% of the popular vote, and he only missed taking Mondale’s home state by less than 4000 votes.)
But 1984 was a long time ago.
Luton wrote - “Rudy could pick up some other states. I’d say give him a shot.”
That’s the whole basis of Rudy’s campaign, the idea that he can make up for any GOPer he alienates by being competitive in the northeast. It’s mostly an article of faith.
on 28 Nov 2007 at 1:22 am # Tom
1984 is what we’ll have next year if any of the popular demopublicans wins.
Huckabee is so pro-gun that Wayne Fincher is rotting in jail and he pretended to never have heard of him.
The only person running with a 100% pro gun record is Ron Paul, but most people will just give up and vote for whichever socialist is less anti-gun in their opinion based on the “facts” they see in the controlled media.
Also, in terms of “wedge issues” isn’t EVERYTHING used as one? The one party system we have today plays us off each other to their own gain. That’s how things now work, so should this come as any surprise?
on 28 Nov 2007 at 5:26 am # Rich Rostrom
Anybody who thinks that electing Clinton will provoke a favorable reaction in ‘10 or ‘12 should look at Germany in 1929-33. The Communists attacked the Social Democrats at every turn, and welcomed the Nazi takeover, because outright fascist tyranny was sure to provoke people to rise up in the great Revolution. But once the Nazis had power, they destroyed the German Communists, and they brainwashed the people.
Clinton isn’t just wrongheaded - she’s self-righteous, ruthless, cunning, and thoroughly corrupt. Look at the way her lackeys are running her nomination campaign - flagrant law-breaking, and whispered threats against anyone who dares support another Democrat or ask her inconvenient questions in public.
Clinton as President, with a Democrat Congress? Expect court-packing, censorship of conservative media under the rubric of “fairness” and “campaign reform”, intimidation of businesses big and small, systematic harassment of conservative activists and organizations, lavish Federal funding of crypto-Democrat activists and organizations, and increased vote fraud and gerrymandering.
There may never be another real election in the U.S. Do you really want to risk that?
on 04 Dec 2007 at 4:41 am # Claire
I’m registered Republican (so I can vote in my state’s primaries), but I consider myself to be a true Libertarian (government needs to stay out of most issues, especially where rights guaranteed by the Constitution and Bill of Rights or beliefs based on religious indoctrination are concerned). I’m troubled by the direction the Republicans have taken (anti-stem cell; anti-abortion; anti-science) and the direction the Democrats have taken (anti-second amendment; increasingly socialist).
My main issue in this election is retaining my right to keep and bear arms, but it means voting against other things I feel are important (freedom to decide for oneself on abortion and freedom of research on embryonic stem cells, for example).
I would really like to see a true Libertarian candidate who isn’t just a slightly less extreme social conservative. Where are these candidates? Is everyone else really a left- or right-wing extremist? I don’t think so, but maybe I’m wrong.
on 08 Dec 2007 at 3:42 pm # HopefulCynic68
“I would really like to see a true Libertarian candidate who isn’t just a slightly less extreme social conservative. Where are these candidates? Is everyone else really a left- or right-wing extremist? I don’t think so, but maybe I’m wrong.” — Claire
Libertarianism is a minority POV in America, in its pure form it just doesn’t win national elections. With the Baby Boomers reaching the age where they dominate most public and private institutions, this is only going to become more so.
The Boomers are bringing with them, and reviving, all the old passions, animosities, and resentments of the late 60s, 70s, and early 80s, it’s no coincidence that today’s politicals discourse sounds so much like that of the 70s, it is the same debate, coming from the centers of power now.
So yeah, there isn’t going to be a libertarian victory anytime soon.